Through the carbon dating of old ritual masks researchers have established the antiquity of the Segui ceremonies. The two anthropologists who first studied the Dogon (Griaule and Deiterlen) conducted their research in the 1930s. Because Sirius B moves from 8 to 31 AU distance from Sirius A, it is unlikely that planets orbiting Sirius A would have stable orbits. As Picknett and Prince have been able to show, Temples arguments are often based on erroneous readings of encyclopdia entries and misrepresentations of ancient Egyptian mythology. good amount of discussion of Sirius in the scientific press in the '20s so With this, the Dogon mystery comes crashing down. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. by Liam McDaid. civilization. [12] According to Oberg, the Dogons' astronomical information resembled the knowledge and speculations of late 1920s Europe, suggesting that the Dogon were influenced by European visitors before their mythology was recorded in the 1930s. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. And finally, even if Sirius B had been a visible red giant a few thousand years ago, how would the Dogon know that Sirius B was still there after it became a white dwarf? At the latitude of Egypt, over distances of several hundred kilometers, planetary curvature introduces distortions only on the order of fractions of kilometers, not the tens of kilometers worth of inaccuracies I found in Temple's claim. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. ", A series of articles has appeared in the Griffith Observer, an astronomy magazin WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). Worse still, hundreds of thousands of years ago, Sirius B was a dying red giant. Bullard, Thomas. Did Oberg? Webplanet earth. 2Q9-mV5F W4g?`Su#q6a]sdaGr*_70 ! ;`~RS)Hm@FGI.m3gcW|PF.(`VypT!]WM6'b//^FX[P\9:H37)DH,y|F(&Da]w o9-K?MR+z.R}7.ubqUIXVy~frF@". no conclusions of any kind." A recent newsletter from my local astronomy association still found the Dogon and their mysterious knowledge of Sirius B worth mentioning. Unfortunately the ancient records contain no clear, unambiguous references to this Sirius lore although the works of historians, astronomers and philosophers were explicit and detailed on innumerable other subjects. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Lets start with the first idea, proffered by Robert Temple.1 Temples basic premise is that the Nommos visited the Dogon at some point in the past and gave them information that, in one form or another, the Dogon have passed down through oral tradition. The third explanation is that they learned the information from Europeans or in European schools. The immunity of pseudoscientists to criticism is well known to skeptics, yet I was curious. Here is an example of how hard it can be to critically examine the claims in the book. Griaule and Dieterlen describe a world renovation ceremony, associated 30-31. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. Except that this isnt the original Dogon drawing. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Ogotemmeli: An Introduction to Dogon Religious WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. The Dogons were not isolated. Carl. Afrocentrists, on the other hand, claimed that the Dogon could see WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific Sounds like you're grasping at straws. The review was indeed consequently modified in parts where Temple explained portions of his book I may have misinterpreted. Greek and Arab myths and words are considered to a lesser extent. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. The good news is that two of the first five entries were from skeptical websites (CSICOP and Bob Carrolls Skeptics Dictionary). Feature Articles Dogon shame Did ancient gods from the Sirius star system visit an African tribe 5,000 years ago? had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely Giants appear in cultures around the world: Biblical tales of giants more than ten feet tall; Roman and Greek stories of titans and heroes; European stories of giants of mountain and hill. The bad news is that the pseudoscience websites were in seventeen different languages. 11.1. Such words would have more persuasion behind them (to me they're merely an emotional appeal to sympathy) if Temple had ever admitted anywhere in print that he had found (or had been shown) any errors in his book or articles or public statements -- but if he has done so, I haven't become aware of them. And this is what Mr. Oberg has done." Temple has either misinterpreted Dogon beliefs, or distorted Noah Brosch explained in his book Sirius Matters that cultural transfer could have taken place between 19th century French astronomers and Dogon tribe members during the observations of the solar eclipse on 16 April 1893. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. All rights reserved. Sagan suggests, however, that that civilization was ), many debunked issues keep rising from the dead like vampires springing from their tombs. He certainly did not have permission to use that statement as part of the promotion, I'11 just have to be even more careful hereafter.". WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Skeptic. Y%gbsPFur[%X7Sz The X symbol inside the oval is Sirius A, The oval itself is labeled Umlaufbahn von Sirius B, or Orbit of Sirius B. Pretty convincing. After being surprised that an astromomy association would, after all this time, bother to publish such an article, I did a web search and found that in 1997 Robert Temple published a second edition of the book that started it all TheSirius Mystery in which he addressed none of the main criticisms that had been directed against the first edition, published in 1976. Robert Temple, who spent eight years studying mythology, is convinced that he can trace the Sirius-B information back to the Sumerians. Since Oberg cannot do so, we need not concern ourselves with criticisms of The Sirius Mystery." The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. Pseudoarchaeology book by Robert K. G. Temple, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Sirius_Mystery&oldid=1135262588, CS1 maint: bot: original URL status unknown, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 23 January 2023, at 16:12. That in itself is extraordinary.". (OK, I'll bite--but if such a star is not discovered, Temple has risked no converse conclusions. [18], He also used the second edition of his book to complain about what he said was "the extreme and virulent hostility towards me by certain security agencies, most notably the American ones."[19]. 7 0 obj (OK, but if it's not true then Temple may suddenly discover that, as in another similar case, "the Dogon information must be not only garbled (or perhaps concealed in line with a secretive tradition) but only partially true." Oberg also says that the Dogon were not an isolated tribe and that a member might have acquired knowledge about Sirius B while abroad and later passed it on to the tribe. By comparison, our own Sun was that old 3.4 billion years ago. Nothing fuels religious extremism more than the belief that one has found the absolute moral truth. September 1976 saw "We have in the Dogon information a predictive mechanism which it is our duty to test, regardless of our preconceptions." WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. From the findings of Van Beek and the authors of Ancient Mysteries, it is clear that Griaule himself was responsible for the creation of a modern myth; one which, in retrospect, has created such an industry and near-religious belief that the scope and intensity of it can hardly be fathomed. When Walter van Beek studied the Dogon, he extraterrestrials, the Nommos, some 5,000 years ago. Dwarfs and Little Green Men". 2000. Whew! As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. In 1998, Temple republished the book with the subtitle new scientific evidence of alien contact 5,000 years ago. The books reputation was first dented in 1999, when Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince published The Stargate Conspiracy, in which they allege that Temples thinking had been heavily influenced by his mentor, Arthur M. Young. 1999. A review of the astronomical, cultural, and anthropological sides of this issue might be timely. Strangely, ancient records explicitly list Sirius as one of six "red stars." However, doubts have been raised about the reliability of Griaule and Dieterlen's work on which The Sirius Mystery is based,[4][5] and alternative explanations have been proposed. Temple offered another line of reasoning. The expedition, led by Henri Deslandres, stayed in the field for five weeks, and it is reasonable that during this time many contacts with the locals took place, and that relatively modern astronomical knowledge was then transferred. Second, while it is difficult to obtain precise locations of many archeological sites referred to in The Sirius Mystery, Temple himself shows a map that gives the location of Behdet (31.23 degE, 31.50 degN) and Thebes (32.63 degE, 25.70 degN). Beings of this type would be a bit like mermaids and mermen. Perhaps the 'sirens' are, figuratively, a chorus of mermaids recalled from earlier times.They are called in Greek Seiren.It is Unfortunately he neglects to mention other bas-reliefs which show "fish-deer" and "fish-lions" and which consequently suggest that the fish motif was symbolic, not descriptive. Moon is traveling through Cancer today. Temple's book mentions the absorption of a Christ-figure into the traditional Dogon Pantheon, obviously a recent addition. According to Griaule and The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific myths by confabulation." To recapitulate: Griaule claimed to have been initiated into the secret mysteries of the male Dogon, during which they allegedly told him of Sirius (sigu tolo in their language) and its two invisible companions. The basic thesis is this: the Dogon (who live in the African nation of Mali, near the border with Burkina Faso) allegedly have long possessed arcane astronomical knowledge that should have been impossible for them to discover without modern telescopes. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? The Skeptics Society is a non-profit, Sagan, Carl 1980. This of course would destroy the modern influence explanation totally. They know about the existence of the star Sirius B, a companion star to the brightest star in our sky, Sirius A. "The ancient peoples were not concealing information from us out of spite," he writes. sigui, held by the Dogon every sixty years. of earth and transmitted in conversation. All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule. Van Beek states that this creates a major problem for Griaules claims. They have a traditional belief in a heliocentric system and Press J to jump to the feed. In a recent book, The Once and Future Star (Hawthorn Books, 1977), George Michanowsky identifies "Oannes" as a Hellenized version of the Sumerian name Ea; he The stars in this group are too young only a few tens of millions of years for planets with life and civilization to have developed. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Perhaps so -- it does seem like a trivial point, arguing over how different two meaningless geographical distances really are. This means that it will have a lifetime on the stellar Main Sequence, which is where stars spend 90% of their lives, of about 1.2 billion years. the Sirius "Mystery" by Ian Ridpath, Skeptical Inquirer, Fall Temple considers alternative possibilities other than alien contact, such as a very ancient, advanced, and lost civilization that was behind the sudden appearance of advanced civilization in both Egypt and Sumer. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. Temple, however, has stated in the reprint of The Sirius Mystery (1999) that he in no way supports what he refers to as "sinister cults" that have been inspired by his book. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. S]V',H79aD>1 Q@d(FOY;"36y0Z{VXEJwOx._tto}#&i|HR-i4 (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Temple lists a number of astronomical beliefs held by the Dogon that WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to claims about the antiquity of this information or of a connection with On top of that, there is another star, Sirius B, orbiting at an average distance of about 20 AU (1 AU is the distance between the Earth and Sun). The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. The Nine also claim to be extraterrestrial beings from the star Sirius. But didn't Isaac Asimov check over the book for just such factual errors, as the publisher claims? Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. companion" (Bullard). That's one major characteristic of classical pseudo-science, its ability to incorporate any result and its ability to be immune from disproof from any result. Found in the constellation after which it is named, it is about 25,000 light years from the sun and 42,000 light years from the centre of the Milky Way. The mystery of the ancient "red" Sirius also remains baffling. based his account on an interview with one person, Ambara, and an The Dogon and Sirius. I wonder. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. James, P., N. Thorpe, and I. J. Thorpe. ), Another example: "The Dogon also mention a period of rotation of Sirius- Bone yearthis WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. pieces of evidence is the tribe's alleged knowledge of Sirius B, a companion to the star But other observers disagree. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. It is also the home of the brightest star in the night sky, Sirius A. by Philip Coppens. One example: "If a Sirius-C is ever discovered and found to be a red dwarf, I will conclude that the Dogon information has been fully validated." In his 1998 revised edition, Temple was quick to point out the new discussions in scientific circles about the possible existence of Sirius C, which seemed to make Griaules claims even more spectacular and accurate. The Dogon also hold a big sigui ceremony every 60 years, which some interpret as representing the period of time it takes Sirius B to go around Sirius A. Classical mythology has been a Rorschach test into which people have projected nearly any notion that appealed to them. To be specific they sound like the kinds of astronomical conclusions one might draw from studying the heavens through a small portable telescope. A Search for Faint Companions to Nearby Stars Using the Wide Field Planetary Camera 2,. fifty years. The author mentions that he could have made the book much longer but restrained himself "lest I blow this book up into a pufball of miscellaneous odds and ends" -- which prompted one reviewer to remark that Temple had stopped much too late to avoid that fate. The legend of the Dogons astronomical precociousness first appeared on the radar in the 1970s. Here, then, is another datum to be investigated when it is possible." The Dogons hold that Jupiter has four moons when in fact it has at least 12, plus a ring, as any true extraterrestrial would have known. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. James, Peter and Nick Thorpe. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? This is the original Dogon drawing. Ideas originally published in 1948, reprint (Oxford University Press 1997). It seems likely that we will never know for sure. Furthermore, there had been a "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. 6, "White Temples For more then 20 years, The Sirius Mystery has influenced speculation about the possibility that our forefathers came from the stars. Knowledge of the stars is not important Though Temples work was challenged, at its core lay the original anthropological study of the Dogon by Griaule and Dieterlen, who describe the secret knowledge of Sirius B and Sirius C in their own book The Pale Fox. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. from black Egyptians who had telescopes. But here's the rub: there is no archaeological evidence that the specific references to the twin hidden companions of Sirius are anywhere near that old. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. In 1977 two radio astronomers were interested enough in the Sirius mystery to direct their telescopes at the star system in hopes of picking up any artificial radio signals. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. Also, in the 1980s and 1990s, anthropologist Walter van Beek could find no evidence that the Dogon possessed knowledge about Sirius B today.9 But more enlightening is the fact that Griaule studied astronomy in Paris and brought star maps with him to Mali. of Griaule informants, had ever heard or understood that Sirius was a % One additional disturbing note: That distance has been computed based on a true geodetic oblate spheroid, but even assuming a flat surface would only have introduced an error of a few tenths of one percent at most (Temple obviously didn't know that, or he wouldn't have asserted that measurements even less accurate than that were proof that ancients took Earth's sphericity into account.). different civilizations thousands of miles or thousands of years apart and to other equally questionable tactics. answer is that they got this information from amphibious aliens from outer Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. Since Sirius B is a very dense white dwarf star about the size of Earth, it can only be seen in dark skies with medium-sized telescopes. To Temple, this proved that "geodetic surveys of immense accuracy were thus practiced in ancient Egypt with a knowledge of the Read Skeptic on Apple or Android devices, or on PC or Mac via PocketMags.com. The Symbolism of the Tarot: The Minor Arcana, The Symbolism of the Tarot: The Major Arcana, My Reading with Kristine from Psychic Source Review, Get the best Psychic Reading Ever Best Psychics Ive Reviewed, The Cathars: the struggle for and of a new Church, The Strange Stone Discs of Baian-Kara-Ula, William Blake: What paintings of visions come. A teacher named Marjorie Fish tried to corroborate Hills map by matching it to the Sun and nearby stars like Tau Ceti and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2. In September 1980, Dr. Philip C. Steffey did an in-depth analysis of Dogon astronomical traditions in "Some Serious Astronomy in the 'Sirius Mystery,' " which criticized Temple's book as "inadequate and full of factual errors and misrepresentation of critical material. Temple's book and the debates that followed its release publicized the existence of the Dogon tribe among many New Age followers and proponents of ancient astronaut theories. Zeta Reticuli 2 (with about the same temperature and mass as the Sun) is another candidate. I published, showed the distances to be nowhere close, in error by tens of miles, at least ten percent -- hardly "immense accuracy. stars to the sun, the Alpha Centauri system. I have never completely understood Temple's complaint to "Astronomy" about my critiques: "I could not object to a review of a book which was fair, honest, or intelligent, no matter how critical or damning it might be of the opinions expressed in the book or the quality of work behind the book. Some might argue that if there were a planet really close to Sirius A, it could be in a stable orbit. Temple claimed that the Dogon knew about two smaller stars that are closely related to Sirius Sirius B and Sirius C. The mystery was how they had obtained this knowledge, as these companion stars cannot be seen by the unaided eye. The ancient records are filled with unanswered astronomical questions -- including the "red Sirius" and the possible Sumerian Ea-Oannes references to the spectacular Vela-X supernova. sources for Temple's story. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano. New evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. Encyclopedia Galactica,, Benest, D. and J. L. Duvent. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. century technological matters brought to them by visitors from other parts One problem with this idea is that Sirius B has been a white dwarf for at least tens of thousands of years. "[10] Ridpath states that while the information that the Dogon probably gained from Europeans to some extent resembles the facts about Sirius, the presumed original Dogon knowledge of the star is very far from the facts. And from what star system does the visitor come? WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. Randi, James. The Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. It seems that Temples ideas are still popular among practitioners of pseudoarcheology, as well as with the general public. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. The obviously advanced astronomical knowledge must have come from somewhere, but is it an ancient bequest or a modern graft? Mysteries (Ballantine Books, 1999). things. Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. The Nine became part of the UFO and New Age mythology and many claim to be in contact with them. Such assimilation occurs most frequently when the subject is one of particular interest to a people -- as Sirius is to the Dogons. The Dogon. Although we can occasionally claim victory (are there any alchemists left? space. by Philip Coppens. The second idea, championed by Afrocentrist historians, is that the Dogons either found out about Sirius B on their own or learned about it from the Egyptians. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. The cartographer took all such factors into account. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. The former study also concluded that while a triple system for Sirius could not be fully eliminated, the probability was low. A substantial bulk of The Sirius Mystery consists of comparative linguistic and mythological scholarship, pointing out resemblances among Dogon, Yoruba, Egyptian and Sumerian beliefs and symbols. [6] The claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. The parts that bear at least a superficial resemblance to astronomical facts are most likely trimmings added in this century. 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