Supporting organizations and initiatives that uphold a sacred relationship with life on Earth. Because there are a lot of unhelpful things that have been told to me. (Unedited) The Dalai Lama, Jonathan Sacks, Katharine Jefferts Schori, and Seyyed Hossein Nasr with Krista Tippett. Well, a lot of us I think are still a little agoraphobic. Theres this poem which Ive never heard anybody ask you to read called Where the Circles Overlap, Tippett: In The Hurting Kind. You should take a nap. [laughter] I know its cruel. I think this poem, for me, is very much about learning to find a home and a sense of belonging in a world where being at peace is actually frowned upon. Tippett: If you had thought about it And you said that this would be the poem that would mean that you would never be Poet Laureate. Before the divorce. And I always thought it was just because I had to work. Find them at, Dedicated to reconnecting ecology, culture, and spirituality. unpoisoned, the song thats our birthright, abundance? And I was having this moment where I kept being like, Well, if I just deeply look at the world like I do, as poets do, I will feel a sense of belonging. These full-body experiences of isolation and ungrieved losses and loneliness and fear and uncertainty. Musings and tools to take into your week. I mean, thats how we read. We hold each other. , the galley in the mail from Milkweed. Science and the Human Spirit. And I also just wondered if that experience of loving sound and the cadence of this language that was yours and not yours, if that also flowed into this love of poetry. Limn: Yeah. So in The Carrying, there are these two poems on facing pages, that both have fire in the title. And I feel like theres a level of mystery thats allowed in the poem that feels like, Okay, I can maybe read this into it, I can put myself into it, and it becomes sort of its own thing. I am a hearth of spiders these days: a nest of trying. But I think theres so much in this poem thats about that idea that the thesis thats returned to the river. Dr. Rachel Naomi Remen is one of the wise people in our world. On Being with Krista Tippett is about focusing on the immensity of our lives. Or call 1-800-MY-APPLE. And also that phrase, as Ive aged. You say that a lot and I would like to tell you that you have a lot more aging to do. enough of the animal saving me, enough of the high Before the koi were all eaten like sustenance, a song where the notes are sung I wrote it and then I immediately sent it to an editor whos a friend of mine and said, I dont know if you want this. And it was up the next day on the website. A season of big, new, beautiful On Being conversations is here. Limn: And to feel that moment of everyone recognizing what it is to kind of look out for one another and have to do that in the antithesis of who we are, which was to separate. The On Being Project It is still the wind. And I was in the backyard by myself, as many of us were by ourselves. And I think it was that. I spoke with Ada Limn at the Ted Mann Concert Hall in Minneapolis. and the world. I think there are things we all learned also. And I feel like its very interesting when you actually have to get away from it, because you can also do the other thing where you focus too much on the breath. Our younger listeners have asked to hear adrienne maree browns voice on On Being, and here she is, as we enter our own time of evolution. And there are times where I think people have said as a child, Oh, you come from a broken home. And I remember thinking, Its not broken, its just bigger. Theres daytime silent when I stare, and nighttime silent when I do things. cigarette smoke or expertise in recipes or for the safety of others, for earth, Just back to this idea that there is this organic automatically breathing thing of which were part, and that we even have to rediscover that. We are fluent in the story of our time marked by catastrophe and dysfunction. And then thats also the space for us to sort of walk in as a reader being like, Whats happening here? Thats the work of poetry in general, right? lover, come back to the five-and-dime. Why not that weed? Our entire world is spent that way. This is not a problem. It brings us back to something your grandmother was right about, for reasons she would never have imagined: you are what you eat. Maybe that speaks for itself. Find them at fetzer.org. And isnt it strange that breathing is something that we have to get better at? Like, Oh, take a deep breath. Then we get annoyed when it works, too. unnoticed, sometimes covered up like sorrow, And I think there was a part of me that felt like so much of what I had read up until then was meant to instruct or was meant to offer wisdom. And so I gave up on it. And its always an interesting question because I feel like my process changes and I change. And were you writing The Hurting Kind during the pandemic and lockdown? She is a former host of the poetry podcast, The Slowdown, and she teaches in the MFA program at Queens University of Charlotte, in North Carolina. whats larger within us, toward how we were born. She hosts the On Being podcast and leads The On Being Project, a non-profit media and public life initiative that pursues deep thinking and moral imagination, social courage and joy, towards the renewal of inner life, outer life, and life together. Krista Tippett is the author of Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living and the host of the national public radio show and podcast On Being. And now Ill just say it again: they are the publisher of the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. But each of us has callings, not merely to be professionals, but to be friends, neighbors, colleagues, family, citizens, lovers of the world. But each of us has callings, not merely to be professionals, but to be friends, neighbors, colleagues, family, citizens, lovers of the world. So it was always this level in which what was being created and made as he was in my life was always musical. The listener wants to understand the humanity behind the words of the other, and patiently summons one's own best self and one's own best words and questions.". Anthem. So I think were going to just have a lot of poetry tonight. to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward Once it has been witnessed Its so interesting because I feel like one of the things as you age, as an artist, as a human being, you start to rethink the stories that people have told you and start to wonder what was useful and what was not useful. Many have turned to David Whyte for his gorgeous, life-giving poetry and his wisdom at the interplay of theology, psychology, and leadership his insistence on the power of a beautiful question and of everyday words amidst the drama of work as well as the drama of life. [laughter] Where some of you were like, Eww, as soon as I said it. Tacos. Because you did write a great essay called Taco Truck Saved my Marriage.. In fact, my mother is and was an atheist. Shes written, Science polishes the gift of seeing, Indigenous traditions work with gifts of listening and language. An expert in moss a bryologist she describes mosses as the coral reefs of the forest. Robin Wall Kimmerer opens a sense of wonder and humility for the intelligence in all kinds of life we are used to naming and imagining as inanimate. people could point to us with the arrows they make in their minds. of age. I do feel like you were one of the people who was really writing with care and precision and curiosity about what we were going through. And for us, it was Sundays. At human pace, they are enlivening the world that they can see and touch. So we have to do this another time. But when we talk about the limitations of language in general, I find language is so strange. And we were given to remember that civilization is built on something so tender as bodies breathing in proximity to other bodies. I think I trusted its unknowing and its mystery in a way that I distrusted maybe other forms of writing up until then. Adventures into what can replenish and orient us in this wild ride of a time to be alive: biomimicry and the science of awe; spiritual contrarianism and social creativity; pause and poetry and more towards stretching into this world ahead with dignity, wisdom and joy. Tippett: To be made whole/ by being not a witness,/ but witnessed. Can you say a little bit about that? We touch each other. In between my tasks, I find a dead fledgling, I dont even mourn him, just all matter-of-, fact-like take the trowel, plant the limp body, thing, forever close-eyed, under a green plant, in the ground, under the feast up above. So you grew up in Sonoma, California, but my sense is that its not the land of Zinfandel and Pinot Noir that immediately comes to mind now when someone says Sonoma. There is also an ordinary and abundant unfolding of dignity and care and generosity, of social creativity and evolution and breakthrough. This is not a problem. Limn: Not the Saddest Thing in the World, All day I feel some itchiness around and I never knew survival even the tenacious high school band off key. Limn: Yeah. The poets brain is always like that, but theres a little I was just doing the wash, and I was like, Casual, warm, and normal. And I was like, Ooh, I could really go for that.. Its almost romantic as we adjust the waxy blue. now even when it is ordinary. rough wind, chicken legs, the collar, constriction of living. We are in the final weeks as On Being evolves to its next chapter in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways we've only begun to process and fathom. And place is always place. And the Sonoma Coast is a really special place in terms of how its been preserved and protected throughout the years. And the last voice that you hear singing at the end of our show is Cameron Kinghorn. has lost everything, when its not a weapon, when it flickers, when it folds up so perfectly, you can keep it until its needed, until you can, love it again, until the song in your mouth feels, like sustenance, a song where the notes are sung. And sometimes when youre going through it, you can kind of see the mono-crop of vineyards that its become. And poetry is absolutely this is not something I knew would happen when I started this but poetry now is at the heart of. Dont get me wrong, I do, like the flag, how it undulates in the wind. What would happen if we used our bodies to bargain. And I feel like theres a level of mystery thats allowed in the poem that feels like, Okay, I can maybe read this into it, I can put myself into it, and it becomes sort of its own thing. So it had this kind of wonderful way of existing in an aliveness of a language, aliveness of a second language as opposed to just sort of a need to get something or to use. And its funny to tell people that youre raised an atheist because theyre like, Really? But I was. Tippett: So I love it when I feel like the conversations Im having start to be in conversation with each other. No, question marks. people could point to us with the arrows they make in their minds. Seems like a good place for a close-eyed We want to meet what is hard and hurting. Adventures into what can replenish and orient us in this wild ride of a time to be alive: biomimicry and the science of awe; spiritual contrarianism and social creativity; pause and poetry and more towards stretching into this world ahead with dignity . Its a prose poem. And I knew immediately that it was a love poem and a loss poem. What happens after we die? And she says, Well, you die, and you get to be part of the Earth, and you get to be part of what happens next. And it was just a very sort of matter-of-fact way of looking at the world. We were brought together in a collaboration between Northrop at the University of Minnesota and Milkweed Editions. Tippett: I think grief is something that is very We have so much to grieve even as we have so much to walk towards. I feel like our breath is so important to how we move through the world, how we react to things. I get four parents that come to the school nights. And I felt like I was not brave enough to own that for myself. You said there in a place, as Ive aged, I have more time for tenderness, for the poems that are so earnest they melt your spine a little. I was like, Oh. Then I came downstairs and I was like, Lucas, Im never going to get to be Poet Laureate.. And I think about that all the time. And actually, it seemed to me that your marriage was in fine shape. What. Its repeating words. I am asking you to touch me. She loves human beings. And so I think my investigation or my curiosity is not so much talking about poetry, but about where poetry comes from in us and what poetry works in us. On Being is an independent nonprofit production of The On Being Project. And the right habitat for that, for all human flourishing, is for us to begin with a sense of belonging, with a sense of ease, with a sense that even though we are desirous and even though we want all of these things, right now, being alive, being human is enough. We believe healthy spiritual inquiry propels us outside the boundaries of the self, into the world. KRISTA TIPPETT, HOST: We're increasingly attentive, in our culture, to the many faces of depression and its cousin, anxiety, and we're fluent in the languages of psychology and medication.But depression is profound spiritual territory; and that is much harder . And then in this moment it was we cared for each other by being apart. Bottlebrush trees attract If you would like to hear an uplifting message at a time of global difficulty, come hear Krista Tippett speak at Central Congregational Church in Providence RI at 6:30 pm, Saturday, December 3. And I knew that at 15. Yeah. Limn: Yeah. just the bottlebrush alive And if you cant have hope, I think we need a little awe, or a little wonder, or at least a little curiosity. I think that there is a lot about trying to figure out who we are with ourselves. Its that Buddhist, the finger pointing at the moon, right? Tippett: So the poem you wrote, Joint Custody. You get asked to read it. We want to orient towards that possibility. I think there were these moments that that quietness, that aloneness, that solitude, that as hard as they were, I think hopefully weve learned some lessons from that. And I knew immediately that it was a love poem and a loss poem. Groundbreaking Peabody Award-winning conversation about the big questions of meaning, hosted by Krista Tippett. Yeah, because its made with words, but its also sensory and its bodily. hoping our team wins. Tippett: And I also just wondered if that experience of loving sound and the cadence of this language that was yours and not yours, if that also flowed into this love of poetry. I write. But I want you to read it second, because what I found in. Transcription by Alletta Cooper Krista Tippett: I really believe that poetry is something we humans need almost as much as we need water and air. We offer it here as an audio experience, and we think you will enjoy being in . I was actually born at home. Theres whole books about how to breathe. Dacher Keltner and his Greater Good Science Center at Berkeley have been pivotal in this emergence. A special offering from Krista Tippett and all of us at On Being: an incredible, celebratory event listening back and remembering forwards across 20 years of this show in the good company of our beloved friend and former guest, Rev. What was it? And Im sure it does for many of you, where you start to think about a phrase or a word comes to you and youre like, Is that a word? Youre like, With. And for us, it was Sundays. So the poem you wrote, Joint Custody. You get asked to read it. Yeah, it was completely unnatural. On Being Studios's tracks [Unedited] Ocean Vuong with Krista Tippett by On Being Studios Flipboard. And I think when were talking about this, were talking about who we are right now, because were all carrying this. To be made whole/ by being not a witness,/ but witnessed. Can you say a little bit about that? Join our constellation of listening and living. They bring us together with others, again and again. The British psychologist Kimberley Wilson works in the emergent field of whole body mental health, one of the most astonishing frontiers we are on as a species. We prioritize busyness. s wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. The fear response, the stress response, it had so many other kinds of ripple effects that were so perplexing. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course. Centuries of pleasure before us and after And I knew that at 15. and gloss. So Im hoping. We say, Oh, I want to write about this flower. And then we say, Why this flower? Page 87. Theres this poem which Ive never heard anybody ask you to read called Where the Circles Overlap, . I guess maybe you had to quit doing that since you had this new job. And I know that when I discovered it for myself as a teenager that I thought, Oh, this is more like music where its like something is expressing itself to you and you are expressing yourself to it. And I was feeling very isolated. Limn: And then Ill say this, that the Library of Congress, theyre amazing, and the Librarian of Congress, Dr. Carla Hayden, had me read this poem, so. Yeah, I think theres so much value in grief. Yeah. I am too used to nostalgia now, a sweet escape, of age. Its got breath, its got all those spaces. Or theres just something happens and you get all of a sudden for it to come flooding back. Winters icy hand at the back of all of us. Because I was teaching on Zoom, and I was just a face, and I found myself being very comfortable with just being a face, and with just being a head. letter on the dresser, enough of the longing and Unknown. The caesura and the line breaks, its breath. April 4, 2008. These are heavier, page 86 and page 87. And so, its so hard to speak of, to honor, to mark in this culture. So, On Preparing the Body for a Reopened World.. So that even when youre talking about the natural world: we are of it not in it. And I hope, I dont think anybody here will mind. Enough of osseous and chickadee and sunflower. my brother and my husband to witness this, nearly clear body. scratched and stopped to the original Exit of the kneeling and the rising and the looking We want to rise to what is beautiful and life-giving. And then in this moment it was we cared for each other by being apart. Theres whole books about how to breathe. You should take a nap.. The people who gather around On Being are part of the generative narrative of our time. For me, I have pain, so Ive moved through the body in pain. Tippett: So can we just engage in this intellectual exercise with you because its completely fascinating and Im not sure whats going on, and Id like you to tell me. reading skills. Lean Spirituality. What were talking about and not when we talk about mental health. And I kept thinking how I missed all my family, and I missed my father and his wife, and I missed my mother and stepfather. I feel like I could hear that response, right? Yeah. Thats such a wonderful question. And it feels important to me whenever Im in a room right now and I havent been in that many rooms with this many people sitting close together that we all just acknowledge that even if we all this exact same configuration of human beings had sat in this exact room in February 2020, and were back now, were changed at a cellular level. Tippett: It also says something about this time. The bright side is not talked about. It is still the river. And I think for all of us, kind of mark this, which is important. Just uncertainty is so hard on our bodies. Because I love this poem, and no one has ever asked me to read this poem. I have people who ask me, How do you write poems? And you talk about process. But mostly were forgetting were dead stars too, my mouth is full when it flickers, when it folds up so perfectly Yet it is a deep truth in life as in science that each of us is shaped as much by the quality of the questions we are asking as by the answers we have it in us to give. And if youd like to know more, we suggest you start with our Foundations for Being Alive Now. thats sung in silence when its too hard to go on, Tippett: And this is about your childhood, right? When you open the page, theres already silence. And the Lilly Endowment, an Indianapolis-based, private family foundation dedicated to its founders interests in religion, community development, and education. The conversation that resulted with the Jewish-Buddhist teacher and psychotherapist Sylvia Boorstein has been a companion to her and to many from that day forward. Black bark, slick yellow leaves, a kind of stillness that feels And it sounds like thunder? I just set my wash settings to who Id like to be in 2023: Casual, Warm, Normal., Limn: Yeah, that was true. Its the , Limn: We literally. But let me say, I was taken Theres a lot of different People. This poem is featured in Ada's On Being conversation with Krista, "To Be Made Whole.". And what of the stanzas And for a long time Sundays kind of unsettled me, even as an adult. We can forget this. If you had thought about it And you said that this would be the poem that would mean that you would never be Poet Laureate. for all its gross tenderness, a joke told in a sunbeam. So I think there was a lot of, not only was it music, but then it was music in Spanish. Thats such a wonderful question. Krista Tippett is a Peabody-award winning broadcaster, National Humanities Medalist, and New York Times bestselling author. And also, I read somewhere that Sundays were a day that you were moving back and forth between your two homes, your parents divorced and everybody remarried. A season of big, new, beautiful On Being conversations is here. What if we stood up with our synapses and flesh and said. It touches almost every aspect of human life in almost every society around the world right now. A few years ago, Krista hosted an event in Detroit a city in flux on the theme of raising children. Dedicated to reconnecting ecology, culture, and spirituality. So you get to have this experience with language that feels somewhat disjointed, and in that way almost feels like, Oh, this makes more sense as the language for our human experience than, lets say, a news report.. Yeah. And one of them this is also on. And its a very interesting thing to be a kid that goes back and forth, and Im sure many people have this experience or have had that experience, where youre moving from one home to another. And we think, Well, what are we supposed to do with that silence? And we read naturally for meaning. And yet at the same time, I do feel like theres this Its so much power in it. Tippett: And you have said that you fell in love with poetry in high school. love it again, until the song in your mouth feels s wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. Krista Tippett; Filtrer Krista Tippett Voir les critres de classement. And we think, Well, what are we supposed to do with that silence? And we read naturally for meaning. I love it. And it is definitely wine country and all of the things that go along with that. Yes. Limn: Yeah, there wasnt a religious practice. I really love . Learn more at. Centuries of pleasure before us and after. its like staring into an original And to not have that bifurcated for a moment. Is where that poem came from. And for a long time Sundays kind of unsettled me, even as an adult. Youre never like, Oh, Im just done grieving. I mean, you can pretend you are, right, but we arent. This means that I am in a reciprocal relationship with the natural world, not that it is my job to be the poet that goes and says, Tree, I will describe it to you.. Amanda Ripley began her life as a journalist covering crime, disaster, and terrorism. And what of the stanzas, we never sing, the third that mentions no refuge, could save the hireling and the slave? I could. [laughter] Sometimes its just staring out the window. Tippett: Its that Buddhist, the finger pointing at the moon, right? At human pace, they are enlivening the world that they can see and touch. Yeah. I grew up in Glen Ellen in Sonoma, California, born and raised. And so its giving room to have those failures be a breaking open and for someone else to stand in it and bring whatever they want to it. Between. I wrote it and then I immediately sent it to an editor whos a friend of mine and said, I dont know if you want this. And it was up the next day on the website. So we have to do this another time. The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. the ground and the feast is where I live now. Limn: Yes. And that feels like its an active thing as opposed to a finished thing, a closed thing. Journalist, National Humanities Medalist, and bestselling author Krista Tippett has created a singular space for reflection and conversation in American and global public life. Can you locate that? We practice moral imagination; we embrace paradoxical curiosity; we sit with conflict and complexity; we create openings instead of seeking answers or providing reductive simplicity. Tippett: Something that you reflect on a lot that I would love to just draw you out on a bit is I think people who love language the most, and work with language, also are most intensely aware of the limits of language, and thats partly why youre working so hard. Come back, To be made whole I feel like theres a level in which it offers us a place to be that feels closer to who we are, because there is always that interesting moment where someone asks you who you are, even just the simple question of, How are you? If we really took a minute to think about it, How am I? on all sides with want. two brains now. The wonder of biomimicry. And now we have watched it in these 25 years go from strength, to strength, to strength. Krista Tippett, Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living. On Being with Krista Tippett On Being Studios Poetry Unbound On Being Studios Becoming Wise On Being Studios This Movie Changed Me On Being Studios Creating Our Own Lives On Being Studios More ways to shop: Find an Apple Store or other retailer near you. and the one that is so relieved to finally be home. Why are all these blank spaces? It has silence built all around it. 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