Are folks trying to fit in a marginalized group really an issue? in order to express their experience with gender in this way because they feel it cant be adequately expressed or described through masc/femme categorization. Sorry i didnt mean it like the LGBTQIA+ community is a club or whatever. We as a species can finally be free of its constraints, and flourish as a result. In reality xenogenders are pretty similar to just different "identities" people have, such as goth or furry or stuff like that. A lot of people have the exact same feeling about men saying they are women. We tell you everything - or almost - about this American success story. Xenogender thus pushes back the limits of our representations, through an identity that emphasizes our most intimate feelings, ignoring all bodily reality. I'm pretty sure this isn't an issue and that the only people that talk about it are being ironic or are the occasional teen with mental health issues. Typically oneself chooses things they like to more accuratly decribe themselves better then they think binary labels could do. (For example, binary trans people use these as well, and using a xenogender doesn't make them a nonbinary person.). Please refer to these threads instead. It is more helpful to ask xenogender people to help you understand xenogenders, than to ask non-xenogender p So in a sense, you get to decide what gender you are, but society also gets a say since multiple people have to also accept the existence of your gender before it becomes "real". Keep on writing because you are a fantastic writer! I can slightly understand this label, however, when I hear terms such as Cloudgender meaning a gender like a cloud, or Treegender, meaning a gender like a tree, then that's where I get kind of lost, and start to question whether or not these identies are valid. Not OP, nor trans but it's about the feeling of gender dysphoria and general discomfort about your assigned gender. This community should support each other, because at its core, its all about acceptance. Thank you. By PAOLA BAPELLE YEET MAGAZINE | Updated 0439 GMT (1239 HKT) March 24, 2022. OB Feb 2, 2021 at 10:23 pm. Si contina navegando, consideramos que acepta su uso. A common defense is the claim that autistic individuals experience gender differently, which is both ableist and infantilizing.One's gender cannot be rain, the color pink, soft and fluffy, a computer, et cetera.Gender is not a sense of connection to a concept. Once again, theres no reason you should be against other trans people finding new ways of expression that make them happy. After all, thats what the process is called. Just want to note that its probably better yo adjust the wording here. Its kinda confusing to say wether or no its valid (which is already a n Intersubjective: personal feelings at a group level. (transphobic meme), So I have to ask this. Some members felt as though even if they couldnt understand it, they should respect it, but others thought it was a disgrace and made the community look like a joke. Of course!!! Xenogender is a term that is used to refer to describe what someone's gender feels like to them. In my own thoughts, its a very personal experience that people who dont identify with a xenogender (even if they do, they arent the specific person either!) . ), At the same time, if something is"valid", it seems to lead to respecting your identity, accepting it as real, not thinking xenogenders are "sarcastic" and not bullying you, and generally if you're saying what xenogenders are valid, it may be a marker what you're likely not ablist (even though you technically don't have to be neurodivergent for identifying as xenogender, xenogenders still usually are strongly linked to neurodivergent experience) and not transphobic andtherefore safe to interact with. Everything is valid, all human experiences are valid. They're arguably a way of being seen as different, but removed of this desire, is any harm done asking these folk to stick to regular gender neutral pronouns? not really, it goes under the non binary category even though it is a mocking of the lgtb, second of all you can be called ableist for not supporting it which is stupid because being NB isnt a disability/mental illness. Just like other words LGBTQ+ folks use, its my personal assertion that people who identified with xenogenders existed before the words themselves - Genderfluid people existed before the term was used, lesbians existed before the term was used, etc. That's something different. This not be related to real people, such as the gender adolfhitlergender. "I don't get why I would associate my mind with me body and the organs I have that not everybody does; I feel like my sense of self is better represented by [external thing] than femininity or masculinity" seems like a reasonable statement to make. Some qualify as genders and some dont. Neogenders are also MOGAI genders and any genders that dont fit under Neogender arent MOGAI genders. xe/xem/xyr, ze/hir/hirs, or ey/em/eir, but the great thing about neopronouns is that they can really be whatever you want, and you can identify as several. Answers to your questions about transgender people 9 questions about trans issues you were too embarrassed to ask Explained: The difference between gender, gender expression, and sexuality From 'Disclosure' to 'Pose': What movies, shows to watch during Transgender Awareness Week The racist history of the sex binary, What really happens when kids say they're transgender? Paste as plain text instead, I like how they sound for me, and they help me express who I am better.. When it comes to things like this, I personally live by the golden rule. Display as a link instead, Some peoples gender changes over time.. In addition to this, people may describe amative genders with nouns (explaination of the terms in the links), https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Affinitive_Genders, https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Amative_Orientations, like for a way ofexperiensing a gender(see schrodigender)or for conditional genderfluidity (seeastrogender), which may sound simular to affirmative xenogenders for an outside observer and may also be considered xenogenders, and yet aredifferent from affirmative xenogenders as you see, https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Schrodigender, https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Astrogender, but that doesn't aurtomatically mean they are valid, What do you mean? no. not at all. this is coming from a ftm trans person. before anyone comes after me, let me just say, im not sorry if i offend anybody. every xen You arent laying out a conclusion. It's valid to prefer xeno pronouns. When someone used xem on me for the first time, I felt really happy, so I kept using them., Oil, a user of some not as common neopronouns, had this, I use a lot of neopronouns but the main ones I like and use are nyaself, girself, purrself, xemself, crayonself, and pawself! She needs to change genders. I just now saw this comment! What would you describe your gender like? Lots of people; lots of differences. People who use xenogenders don't actually identify their gender as the word they've used prefacing "-gender". Did you make an alt account to repost the same thing? This is identifying as a food, or using food as a metaphor as your gender. Why I have a problem with xenogenders is on pride month they want people to celebrate them. We are not bumbling idiots that are retarded. if you dont believe its valid, youre being queerphobic and ableist. If you, internal to yourself+body, are treated as male, but you are treated by external people as female, then you might try to change how external people treat you. Gender in this regard is a mating strategy. Xenic Alignment System (Gem Gender System), https://archive.vn/tJOgM#selection-365.1-365.3, https://archive.vn/tJOgM#selection-439.1-471.12, https://archive.vn/tJOgM#selection-355.0-357.244. That doesnt exclude genders that fall under Xenogender, Aesthetigender, etc. Read also USA: 56% of adults under 30 think that a person's gender can differ from the one assigned at birth. No, they are not valid You cannot feel a connection between an object or animal because they dont have a gender specifically and therefore they do I'd just like to thank the moderator, Ryn for not locking my post and letting me know what I said wrong. I am curious if you think that is also valid and if so why. They arent doing any harm to anyone so people should treat them respectfully. Cass, a user of xe/xem/xyrs pronouns said, I was struggling a lot trying to find pronouns that felt right for me that werent inherently gendered like they/them. There's a moral consequence that doesn't exist with simple cat-gender identities. hot take but people having fun with their gender/gender expression. Instead of giving references to how their gender relates to maleness and femaleness, they say their gender is-- or is like-- a kind of animal, an imaginary being, a part of nature, an abstract concept, or a symbol. But xenogender is not the same as otherkin. Not really important I guess. I fully support and get the idea of being trans - feeling like you were born in the wrong body. It kind of seems equally arbitrary? Neopronoun users deserve just as much respect as you do. genders that describe someone's gender in a way that is outside of human understanding. Anyway, xenogenders seem to me like a dismissal of the traditional thinking of gender, like agender or nonbinary but with a tangential explanation. As stated by mayoclinic.org Gender dysphoria is the feeling of discomfort or distress that might occur in people whose gender identity differs from their sex assigned at birth or sex-related physical characteristics. Telling people who use neopronouns they arent valid because you think its not normal is doing the same thing to them that was once done to you. So while were largely drawn to categorizing things or coming up with terms to help us communicate with each other, gender remains something that just gets more abstract the further you stray from cisnormativity. Historically there have been two used since the 1300s, spe, For example, ou will could mean he will, she will, or it will. Are they harmful? And what does the word "valid" mean, can you define it? https://bhsroarnation.com/1971/opinion/neopronouns-you-are-valid/#comment-38, https://bhsroarnation.com/1971/opinion/neopronouns-you-are-valid/#comment-35, https://bhsroarnation.com/1971/opinion/neopronouns-you-are-valid/#comment-28, https://bhsroarnation.com/1971/opinion/neopronouns-you-are-valid/#comment-40, https://bhsroarnation.com/1971/opinion/neopronouns-you-are-valid/#comment-24, From the time that were young, were taught that there are only hers and hims. Didn't everyone everywhere simultaneously agree that "xenogenders" are a stupid concept and collectively agreed to simply ignore it? Thank you. WebThey are valid, ONLY if you use them for the right reason. some use it for describing their gender and How they feel. It is most commonly used by neurodivergentpeople because they have more intense interests than others. TMBR is a place where we can discuss controversial topics freely and explore various ideas and opinions. Web30 Likes, TikTok video from (@osstax_): "Feel free to ask me anything! They arent doing any harm to anyone so people should treat them respectfully. The meaning of neogender as a subcategory is any gender that has come around since the early 2000s, meaning that it even includes terms that people wouldn't normally consider to be MOGAI like demiboy and genderfluid. I will try to be more careful in that regard in the future, Not more "hyperspecific" than binary genders and surely not more "hyperspecific' than "just me", which obviously specific for only you (and most people don't describe their gender as "just me", so i really don't get your point) Anyway, the word is arbitrary and implies some kind of "too much", andalready saysit's applied to something "unnessesary" and for the reasoninaccepting of xenogenders. Your text spiel was, at best, anecdotal. if you are trans, why can you not accept those who are also trans, but describe their gender in ways An identity that is increasingly attractive, whether online, where the hashtag #xenogender currently has 30 million views on TikTok , or in the most tangible reality: in Greece, the 1st edition of the Narthex cybermedieval festival where xenogenders who identify with video game avatars gathered. Please refer to these threads instead. Doing so further establishes hierarchies of heteronormativity that justify the oppression of queerness. due to both of them and every term under them being neogenders."[3]. Xenogedner is all non-binary/genderqueer gender related to person intrest. There is no reason to have them as genders. From the time that were young, were taught that there are only hers and hims. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. But your explanation was helpful. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Taylor Frick Dec 2, 2021 at 10:28 am. Doing so outside of being Treegender and cloudgender, as I said, xenogenders arr very personal for each person, so the definitions I bring up will likely not be the same case for everyone! Your post makes it sound like the LGBTQIA+ community has become a cool club some people try to join under false pretense.I'm under the impression there aren't a lot of perks to be gained by being part of the community, while there are still a lot of hardships and discrimination. From what I understand, Xenogenders are hyperspecific genders that describe someone's gender in a way that is outside of human understanding. A Spanish translation is especially wanted, but any other language is also welcomed. Xenogenders are a specific variety of nonbinary gender. for years, because at a time it was considered disgusting and not normal to like the same gender, or to identify with the opposite gender. Ah wow Im surprised my thread is well enough to help people understand hahah <-< /lh /pos But hey! @LGBTAtreyu i am more than happy to expla xenogenders are not valid r/xenogenders xenogenders list and meaning sr/xenogender xenogenders list carrd xenogender carrd xenogenders carrd what are It also includes genders that were given definitions in or after 2000, as long as there was no strong implied definition and/or it was used to Oil continued, How someone chooses to identify doesnt affect you. Neopronouns should absolutely be normalized!! I want people to use their own definition. Im sure not everyone is aware of such distinctions. I am a citizen because other citizens agree I am. I also use emoji pronouns! Same here, I think the intent was to discuss the different perspectives on xenogenders, it was just very very very poorly conceived, BUT, really, O you CAN NOT claim to not be homophobic or ableist if you dont support/believe Possum.Lover, could you explain a bit more about Xenogenders? Doesnt mean you have to expect everyone to use it. WebThe illustration Xenogenders Are Valid, with the tags medibangpaint, queer, xenogenderpositivity, transrights, mermaid, xenogender etc. You can post now and register later. That is to say, their body identifies them in a different way than other (external) people identify them+their body. Hello everyone, I'm sorry for the late response. What really happens when kids say they're transgender? Saying you are cat gender because you feel "warm and fuzzy" is terrible, it's like your saying your an attack helicopter. (Or, they want to act like males, but cant because their body presents as female - however those folk arent part of my argument. 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